Tazren Talamar
Gaidin
Do you mean Talene? She's already Black Ajah, so I doubt she's been turned.
"When I cast the stars and give our position correctly, I am punished for being slow even when I have the answer as fast as Windfinder Ehvon! When I taste the sea and name the coast we are approaching, I am punished because the taste I name is not quite what Windfinder Ehvon tastes! I shielded you twice, but tonight I will hang by my ankles for not doing so sooner! I am punished for flaws ignored in others, for flaws I never make, because I might! Was your novice training any harder than that, Nynaeve?" (To Nynaeve)
AXIS said:Morrighan Daghdera said:
Well there's my something knew to learn for today.
So Beidomon can't take the heat he was getting from the people and offs himself. Interesting
Oh and on timelines on the collapse.
Ishar Morrad Chuain goes over to the dark about 30 years after the drilling of the bore.
And LTT marries Ilyena about 50 years after the drilling, at which point Mieren joins the dark too.
So there is about twenty years for Aginor to work on shadowspawn before Lanfear joins, which is not insignificant by a long shot.
And then its another 50 years before the actual war of power begins.
So yes, its not impossible. They certainly joined in the right order, and Aginor has a decent length of time.
The only person to join before Aginor is Kamarile Maradim Nindar (Graendel), we should look at quotes by her referring to Lanfear, because she would have been the only one of the current forsaken in on the plan at the time if it indeed happened.
Spoke said:However we have to remember that it was Semirage who discovered that channelling through the 13x13 method. So the theory may still be impossible depending on when she turned.
Prominent prisoners were always handed over to her to be bent to the Shadow. It was Semirhage who discovered that a circle of thirteen, using thirteen Myrddraal as a sort of filter, could turn anyone who could channel to the Shadow, though she invariably preferred to handle Aes Sedai herself. She hated everyone who called themselves Aes Sedai, and took the greatest pleasure in personally breaking them, by slow increments so they could be fully aware of what was happening to the last.
Morrighan Daghdera said:Lanfear gave him a teacher & sent Shadowspawn to Tear to help him. She drilled the bore & is the only 1 we know who might help Rand with fixing the mess she helped create. I'm unsure if RJ read Harry Potter but I don't see Snape storyline here. I see a foreshadowing pattern of her helping Rand. Ingtar's role was pivotal, yet almost forgettable. Verin never turned back to the Light. I like Miya's theory too...that is, if Axis Gaidin doesn't trout us on it.