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Hopefully this evening I’ll get the crew out of Baerlon. I caught something that made me ponder too. On the slow ride to Baerlon, the comment is made of it being “almost a week” but is later noted as 6 days. Is this perhaps before Jordan made the calendar with weeks of 10 days?
 

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I tried to wait... I just finished Fires of Heaven... I slowed down at least! I'm keeping up with the comments, though. And I'll keep track of my thoughts and post when appropriate.
 

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Chap. 39: "No matter the cage, that had not been a defeated man" - it's about Logain brought to Morgase in chains but it also reminded me of another cage that would also fail to defeat the dragon - the real one, this time.
 

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OK, so I started. With Ravens. And despite how many times I have read it, still ended up editing the Ravens chapter summary. Nothing major, just some of the character traits, especially for Egwene and Mat, and how young they are when we can see them
 

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Can we comment on TGH as we move to book 2?

Because OMG: Siuan talking of not wanting to be taken down as Amyrlin and of how no one can rally around a broken Amyrlin scrubbing floors all day... 🤯
 

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Can we comment on TGH as we move to book 2?

Because OMG: Siuan talking of not wanting to be taken down as Amyrlin and of how no one can rally around a broken Amyrlin scrubbing floors all day... 🤯
Her words stand true.
 

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Her words stand true.
And yet....eventually, they will rally around the Egwene scrubbing floors all day, who is the Amyrlin of the Broken Tower... perhaps this is another curious foreshadowing?
 

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And yet....eventually, they will rally around the Egwene scrubbing floors all day, who is the Amyrlin of the Broken Tower... perhaps this is another curious foreshadowing?
Egwene was never a broken Amyrlin. She did what she had but was not broken. Siuan is talking about how it is her belief that any Amyrlin who scrubs floors must be broken if she is doing so. It is (yet another) failing of Suian, both in general and as Amyrlin.
 

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Egwene was never a broken Amyrlin. She did what she had but was not broken. Siuan is talking about how it is her belief that any Amyrlin who scrubs floors must be broken if she is doing so. It is (yet another) failing of Suian, both in general and as Amyrlin.
Idk, that might be more a reflection of everything Siuan had to go through to become who she became. Tear had a massive top down society. Added to that, she had to become Amyrlin with the knowledge that the darkness was actively undermining the Tower's efforts to identify and protect the Dragon Reborn and at a time when the world was recovering from war. Her from of leadership was different from Egwene's. Siuan also did what she had to, and the way she had to do it meant that she didn't have the liberty to appear any less than what she was. Egwene also had the benefit of there being disagreement within the physical Tower with how authoritative those in charge had become. All they needed was to see that one person respected them and would keep fighting even when no one else would
 

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Idk, that might be more a reflection of everything Siuan had to go through to become who she became. Tear had a massive top down society. Added to that, she had to become Amyrlin with the knowledge that the darkness was actively undermining the Tower's efforts to identify and protect the Dragon Reborn and at a time when the world was recovering from war. Her from of leadership was different from Egwene's. Siuan also did what she had to, and the way she had to do it meant that she didn't have the liberty to appear any less than what she was. Egwene also had the benefit of there being disagreement within the physical Tower with how authoritative those in charge had become. All they needed was to see that one person respected them and would keep fighting even when no one else would
Regardless, I don't see the comments as foreshadowing. In fact, some of the points you made seem to support my conclusion. That said, I'm not trying to convince anyone, just offering my view.
 

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:shrugs: Siuan is a product of a system that Egwene sought to change.
 

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:shrugs: Siuan is a product of a system that Egwene sought to change.
Exactly and she managed that change even while scrubbing floors in contrast to Siuan’s perspective. So I saw it as a foreshadowing in that a characters says something cannot happen or be…then it definitely happens.

And I agree Ruslan, no disagreements here, just different perspectives. Appreciate yours as well.
 

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Exactly and she managed that change even while scrubbing floors in contrast to Siuan’s perspective. So I saw it as a foreshadowing in that a characters says something cannot happen or be…then it definitely happens.

And I agree Ruslan, no disagreements here, just different perspectives. Appreciate yours as well.
Yes, that was my thought as well.

The line caught my eye as an interesting comment, given the unfolding of the story on these two points :-)

As a first time reader (many moons ago), I think hearing this from the ruling Amyrlin sets Egwene's later accomplishment as an even greater feat.
 

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I think hearing this from the ruling Amyrlin sets Egwene's later accomplishment as an even greater feat.
Yes! I hadn't considered that...but I can see it now as well. Very insightful.
 

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I e reached the second village on the hunt with the boys in book 2.
I assume the trap that made Rand revisit the last moments of the family was created by Lanfear since she is spotted (assumed) in the earlier village. Since Rand doesnt know he’s channeling, it’s not clear if the weaves he cuts are visible to him or not.
 

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I’ve slowed down. Waiting at the exit of the Ways.
 

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I e reached the second village on the hunt with the boys in book 2.
I assume the trap that made Rand revisit the last moments of the family was created by Lanfear since she is spotted (assumed) in the earlier village. Since Rand doesnt know he’s channeling, it’s not clear if the weaves he cuts are visible to him or not.
I think this is something Fain does, as he does this later. Winter's Heart, when he kills one of the Rogue Asha'man, Rand sees an illusion of Torval and Gedwyn. Though only once, not something that repeats like the earlier encounter
 

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I just realised. My Sig is up to date again!
 

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Nice to have you back sir!
 

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10 chapters left of LoC!
 
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