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Anyone ever read the Sword of Truth series? I found book 2 of 3 in the free book bin outside the used bookstore and I got so sucked in I had to buythe 3rd book off Amazon so I could see how the story ended! They are very well written, I was able to follow everything that happened without reading the 1st book.

Anyone who likes the Wheel of Time will like Sword of Truth. :)
 
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The series is like 10 or so books long, FYI. Also I generally strongly recommend against ever reading this series as the author is an awful human being and deserves as little support or recognition as possible.
 

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Yeah, definitely a good series to buy secondhand (because Goodkind does not deserve any more of anyone's money). I especially liked book 6, Faith of the Fallen. It ended up being a little Randian, but the story was good I thought. I stopped reading after it jumped the shark and the whole inkblot transfer thing happened (not a spoiler unless you've read the books already, in which case still not a spoiler).
 
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Oh! I love torture by hot ladies scantily clad in red leather.

I have yet to read more poorly written fantasy, personally.

Also, story time! Once upon a time, I had my own fantasy/scifi book review site. We published a review of Goodkind's then newest book. At the time, Tor (Goodkind's publisher) was very much into social media. They had hired people to manage several different Facebook pages and Twitter handles. They hired a really great reviewer, Aidan, to manage their Tor Fantasy Twitter and Facebook. The guy thought our review was hilarious and jokingly retweeted it. A day later, after Goodkind had contacted his publisher, Aidan was fired and Tor discontinued their themed social media presence.

A few months passed, and I was getting some messages here and there that people had trouble reaching my website. After some work figuring out what the problem was, it turned out that Goodkind had decided on some extra revenge. My site, The Ranting Dragon, was located at rantingdragon.com. Goodkind had personally bought therantingdragon.com and set the DNS to his personal website.

So, yeah, I'm not a fan of the guy. It helps that his writing is absolutely awful imo. All the glorified rape scenes definitely seem to be a reflection of his character.
 
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I am well aware that he wrote more than three books, however the story I read was only contained within three books. I didn't read the first one, but I found the 2nd book, Phantom, in the free book bin outside the used book store, and bought the 3rd book, Opressor, off of Amazon. I am not generally a fan of the fantasy genre (in fact these three Sword of Truth books and the WOT books I've read are the only fantasy books I've ever read), but I thought those two books were loads of fun. Especially the part where Khaless (sp?) is walked through the the imperialist army naked to find men who can see her so they can guard her, and she surreptitiously kills them one by one. Also, thinking back on it, the evil witches do kind of remind me of the sisters of the Black Ajah in WOT. Is it the BEST fiction ever, no. But WOT has its drawbacks too. I'm at the end of the 4th book right now in WOT, and I feel that some parts of these books drag out a bit at times, but then suddenly there's cool battle or something and it draws me back in lol.

I'm also not in the habit of researching the biography of the authors I read so *shrug*. I mean J.K. Rowling is kinda horrible person too but everyone still loves Harry Potter XD
 

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Not true. I read HP as an adult and J.K. Rowling's horribleness is absolutely clear on every page of the books. I enjoyed the stories but hated the books. I am of the opinion that people who love HP probably do so because they were too young to realize how awful those books are. :p
 

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I still love HP (I read it for the first time when I was in college, so kind of an adult at least). That said, the story has always mattered most to me, the whole critiquing writing styles is pedantic and arbitrary to me.

That being said, I certainly separate the story from the author and don't buy new HP merch that gives her more money.
 

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Eurgh. Jordan has some moments that I probably would rewrite if I was doing it now, but at least Goodkind's gender relations are horrific. No thanks.
 

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I never finished the Sword of Truth series, but I enjoyed The First Confessor. *shrugs*

In high-school/college, my friends and I pretty much annihilated all the epic fantasy we could get our hands on!
 
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I enjoyed the series at the time, especially books 1-6, but I wonder how it would measure up if I reread it now. I feel like a lot of things that were considered normal and acceptable when it came to fantasy would really be uncool based on today's standards.

And yeah the author himself is definitely one of the uncool things.
 
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I enjoyed the main sequence books. I mean they could have been SO much better if Goodkind could get his head out of his ass and stop with all the preaching in his books. But apart from that they were good stories (mostly)

And then he lost me somewhere in the middle of the last sequence, might have been halfway through Third Kingdom maybe, or Severed Souls I can't remember.

But there is a sequence where there is like an entire chapter of bullshit blather and philosophizing and exposition, and boring stuff. cut for a chapter break. and I'm like whew. got through that.

And then next chapter the same scene continues on with more bullshit boring blather. I was like WTF!? and put the book down and haven't been back since.

maybe I'll get them out from the library one day and finish them. but I'm not holding my breath


Goodkind is a terrible person, and hypocrite too. You can't put a dragon on the cover with a hero with a magic sword and then say your aren't writing a fantasy book and look down upon fantasy books as if they were bad.
 

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Goodkind is a terrible person, and hypocrite too. You can't put a dragon on the cover with a hero with a magic sword and then say your aren't writing a fantasy book and look down upon fantasy books as if they were bad

He said WHAT!?! :eek :what
 

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.......no words......just this: :desk

He's almost like a scientologist with his philosophical fundamentalism. Scary.
 

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My sister read the majority of the series, but stopped after a certain point. I read the first book and was seriously turned off by the aforementioned torture/rape scenes that were then turned around to elicit sympathyyyyyyyy -- if I remember correctly -- for the perpetrator and I just..........

I finished the book, but I could not continue with the series after that. It seemed way too...you know, I'm searching my brain for the right words, and "atrocious" is coming up. I'm gonna go with atrocious. I understand that perpetrators can be victims too, but the narrative expected me to take away all the blame from her, and I was absolutely not having it. It also put everything else my sister was telling me about the books in a weird light. So....that's gonna be a big ol' no from me dawg.
 

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My sister read the majority of the series, but stopped after a certain point. I read the first book and was seriously turned off by the aforementioned torture/rape scenes that were then turned around to elicit sympathyyyyyyyy -- if I remember correctly -- for the perpetrator and I just..........

I finished the book, but I could not continue with the series after that. It seemed way too...you know, I'm searching my brain for the right words, and "atrocious" is coming up. I'm gonna go with atrocious. I understand that perpetrators can be victims too, but the narrative expected me to take away all the blame from her, and I was absolutely not having it. It also put everything else my sister was telling me about the books in a weird light. So....that's gonna be a big ol' no from me dawg.

My husband calls them leather clad torture wenches.

I know people love Kahlan but I super super super hate the idea of confessors: "women who can't have sex because if they ever do they'll steal men's souls literally". Well Confessors could be cool but they didn't need that. It makes explicitly clear what Goodkind thinks of women and specifically virginity. Ew.

Also I think of Goodkind as the Anti-Tolkien. Tolkien loathed allegory and wanted people to just read the fantasy story for a fantasy story. Goodkind looks down his nose at fantasy and wants people to read his books as very very seriousface descriptions of reality.
 

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My husband calls them leather clad torture wenches.

I know people love Kahlan but I super super super hate the idea of confessors: "women who can't have sex because if they ever do they'll steal men's souls literally". Well Confessors could be cool but they didn't need that. It makes explicitly clear what Goodkind thinks of women and specifically virginity. Ew.

Also I think of Goodkind as the Anti-Tolkien. Tolkien loathed allegory and wanted people to just read the fantasy story for a fantasy story. Goodkind looks down his nose at fantasy and wants people to read his books as very very seriousface descriptions of reality.

I forgot about that whole dynamic. That's also atrocious. I also knew I was probably not going to like the rest of the book when Kahlan was publicly groped (for a dude-stare-off no less,) she immediately punched the dude in the face, and the guy was still staring down I-can't-remember-the-other-main-character's-name, and neither of them could be bothered to react to her in any way. She may as well have been a piece of furniture.
 

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Yes - looking back on it post high school - woof. Goodkind went way over the top with all of his .... negative experiences? At some point a kid is ...well.... Darken Rahl does stuff.
I did like the characters, though. Zedd is hilarious.

I get very annoyed with the 'my torture has to be more extreme than those in other books to get a reaction' trope. I think it was used by Goodkind, Martin, even Weeks had a ridiculous torture/death scene.

It shows that Jordan, a better writer, I think, was able to create the same emotions in folks without having to be super explicit or having to describe violence in awful detail.
With the exception of the Mat and Tylin business, at least.
 
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Even Mat and Tylin is not explicit. I actually wish he had made that more explicit. It's kind of gross that I still see debates on whether that was rape or not.
 
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