Season 1 Episode 6 “The Flame of Tar Valon” with book spoilers

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I think the Sitter is also HoA for Blue. Why else would she be able to order Moiraine to stay in the Tower.
 
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I do want to say I adored the first sequence at the Tower, with Logain and the questioning of the three AS. Every single actor killed it in that scene, and Siuan had exactly the kind of gravitas and regality the show has built up the Amyrlin to have.
 

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I did really like the scene with Egwene and Nynaeve talking to Siuan. Did a great job of showing their two very different levels of respect for the tower. Egwene was so disappointed when it turned out she wasn't the super strong channeler they were talking about.
I snickered at Egwenes obvious deflation when Nynaeve was named as the strong one.

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I am really confused though why they felt the need to bring in the oath rod though. The whole thing just felt off. Also I wasn't a fan of Moiraine listing various loving nicknames in public, that was a bit much given the whole "secret" part of their secret relationship. "On your knees" though... That got a laugh.

The part where she started listing off the names, I took that to be whispery so that no one could hear, because she purposefully projected her voice at the end. She started off strong but slowly went into whisper as the others would find it odd if she suddenly started whispering. I just don’t think she went to enough of a whisper to make it blatantly obvious.
 
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Strong episode.

yeah I dunno about the Siuan/Moiraine meetup.

acrually thinking about it. Where they in Siuan’s room? I’ll have to watch it again. But from first look sort of looked like someone more like her childhood house than where she meets the girls later.

so maybe it was a TAR Dream thing. Siuan’s been put forward as a bit of a Dreamer apparently.

I’ll have to recheck.

secret teleport ter’angreal would be a bit bullshit.

dunno about Moiraine thinking Eye is where the prison is. Do they think the Eye is at Shayol Ghul? Or do they not know of Shayol Ghul?


I’m okay with the way gate needing to be opened by the power. But only if that’s a recent thing if it being locked or something by Aes Sedai. And previously could be opened by Ogier.

she brought Loial along, so he’s obviously needed for navigation. Which is good.
 

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My husband and I pondered the Waygates thing and we surmised that just THIS ONE would need channeling to open since it's so close to TV. Lock that ish up. I was annoyed when Rand asked what a Waygate was and Moiraine neglected to add that, oh yeah it's evil as all heck so buckle up. I don't know about the Mat thing. That better somehow make sense in the future.

I took the "portal" between their rooms to be something they created together. I was fine with it. Do we think Lan knew she was going to see Siuan when he was sassy about the bond being blocked? I'd like to think so :laugh:

Egwene handing the rings over to Moiraine :cry
Egwene thinking she was going to be named the strongest :laugh: I love her
Egwene telling Rand she found him!

If you had captions on you would have caught that the innkeeper was Basel Gill!

Excuse me but where is Min.

I hope the next two episodes are extra long otherwise how are they going to make this work?

Eye o the World, Shayol Ghul, the bore, tbh on my first read (like 18 years ago,) this was all really confusing to me. I have aphantasia and I just could not for the life of me envision it and I couldn't keep track of what meant what. If it's all mashed together into one thing and simplifed, that's fine with me.
 

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Lan told Moraine to "giver her my love" so I assume he knew. and "I'll stand watch until you return".
 

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My current theory on the portrait portal thing is that it's a pair of linked Ter'angreal that give access to a dreamshard. That would explain why it looked like Siuan's old home, because the user could shape the appearance inside to whatever they like. I'm not completely satisfied with this theory, since it'd imply that the two of them know at least a little about Tel'aran'rhiod earlier than they really should, but every other explanation I've seen has bigger holes. For example, if it's at all usable for making gateways, It'd be insane for them to be using it for booty calls rather than something more important. Biggest problem I see no matter what is, why can't Moiraine take her portrait with her and use it for long distance communication?
 

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Yeah, the titles thing confused me too, until she suddenly spoke louder at the end. I think only Siuan heard her use those titles. And I think it is clever of her to now swear that the Amyrlin Seat is the one calling her back, always playing the Game of Houses Moiriane :)
 
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Excuse me but where is Min.

I hope the next two episodes are extra long otherwise how are they going to make this work?


Production leak spoiler
we had rumours ahead of the show that shes been moved to Fal Dara instead of Baerlon

that now indeed seems to be the case.

which is good actually. They spend ages in Fal Dara at the start of The Great Hunt. There’s more scope for really getting time to know Min rather than the cameo she has in EoTW.


there’s actually not much left of the book now.

way gate section
Get to Fal Dara
Travel through blight
Final confrontation at eye.


Should flow well enough for two episodes. The ways and blight can move pretty fast



that said I’d love a double length finale.
 
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This is being shown around on reddit.


I really really hope something is being misunderstood here somewhere and we are getting misdirected or something.

random gateway ter’angreal to Tear for a booty call is……. An insane change.

Surely they wouldn’t.
 

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I may have misunderstood something, or misheard - Moiraine might have been beating around the oath-bush - but regarding her saying (paraphrasing here) that she didn't know Nynaeve could channel. What's the deal with Aes Sedai apparently not being able to feel the spark in other women? What happened to "a woman can't be in the presence of another woman who can channel and not be aware of it"? The Tower has been dwindling in numbers, they have been trying to find any and all women with at least the tiniest ability... I get that they needed to get all five of them in the Ways, so Nynaeve couldn't have been Accepted and Egwene a Novice upon arrival in the Tower, and I get all the things about a limited budget, but... gah.

I definitely agree with a lot of points made here, they are doing decently with what they've got - and most importantly, I am glad to see such... natural interactions between, well, practically everyone, especially LGBT interactions. There are definitely strong points in the whole thing that others have mentioned plenty so far, but the further it goes on, the more I'm trying to get myself to just... divorce from all book notions as much as possible, and try to enjoy the show for the show that it is.
 

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"I did not know she could channel.....I suspected"

Is the full thing for that. Reasonable since not every woman that has the potential to channel will without training and she never saw her channel before the sun bomb.

What I want to know is how she could tell Egwene that she was watching out for her friends and will let her know when they arrive when she clearly already met with her friends and knows that they are in the city and where lol
 

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The Moiraine/Siuan relationship was absolutely beautifully well done, especially with sassy Lan giving Moiraine shit about going to see her and Siuan calling Mo a puffer fish. Oh I loved it so much.

Siuan is the embodiment of what an Aes Sedai should be. She is the most badass woman in town and she knows it and I LOVE HER for it.

It was weird and sad about Mat, but I’ll refrain until we know how it pans out to judge too harshly.

Moiraine knew in the books where the Eye was because she’d been there before. They’ll probably mention it in the next episode.

I get that the Ways would look incredibly boring on screen, so I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt, but other Waygates had better be able to be used without channeling. :cheeseeni:

ETA: Mo told Eggy that she had watchers looking out for her friends. So she told a true thing, just not really answering the question.
 
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During a Twitter re-watch party tonight, Sarah Nakamura said that on the show it has been changed so that a woman channeler can only feel the ability in another woman if they are actively embracing the Source. She said the change had good reason behind it and we would see those reasons in time.
 

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SIUAN TALKED ABOUT FISH WHILE SPENDING THE NIGHT WITH MOIRAINE, I CAN DIE HAPPY
 
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"I did not know she could channel.....I suspected"

Is the full thing for that. Reasonable since not every woman that has the potential to channel will without training and she never saw her channel before the sun bomb.

What I want to know is how she could tell Egwene that she was watching out for her friends and will let her know when they arrive when she clearly already met with her friends and knows that they are in the city and where lol

I'll try get the exact quote later but I think her words were something like "I have watcher and will know when they arrive". Which is technically true. I remember commenting on the tricksy wording while watching it
 

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Did anyone else notice that Siuan reached out with her index finger to touch Moiraine's hand during the Oath Rod screen?

Yes, I noticed. Such an intimate and at the same time semi-discreet gesture. The only reason we could see it so well was that it was very zoomed in on. I'm not sure how well it would be visible to those in the Hall standing around at more of a distance.
 

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Did anyone else notice that Siuan reached out with her index finger to touch Moiraine's hand during the Oath Rod screen?

I thought that made possible Moraine intimate whisperer unheard to the sitters.
 
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