S1E4: "The Dragon Reborn" - w/Book Spoilers

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OMG, that was so good! Need to collect my thoughts, but wanted a place to squee about it!
 

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I just finished it.

I love that Logain is getting a bigger story line in the show than he did in the books, but not sure how I feel about him showing signs of madness. It makes me wonder if he actually had symptoms in the books and just masked really well.

I ship Nynaeve and Lan so hard. Their chemistry on screen is amazing.

I worry for Mat. I like that they made his illness more visible. It's not just him being paranoid and suspicious, but like... he is unwell.

I'm living for the poly representation in this episode with the Greens and their Warders.

And can we talk about Nynaeve's healing bomb? Like... go off, queen.

OH oh oh, also I love the way they made the Fade move. We'd only seen him from horseback so far and watching that part of a fight with Thom was awesome.
 

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Everything @Satara al'Caelahn said.

And I'm assuming it wasn't Mat who killed everyone in that house? It was the Fade?

I like the little Birgitte nod too.
 

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You know, I didn't even think about that. :laugh:

I totally thought Mat did it. :shifty

But the Fade doing it makes sense, then Mat was trying to go after the Fade and then Rand and Thom were all "holy crap, Mat, you just slaughtered everyone, y u do?"
 

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I definitely took it that Mat found the family killed by the Fade, once we saw the Fade....

Can we talk about the madness... OMG.. AND Logain saying he hears the Dragon's of the past talking to him?!!

OMG and Mat's sickness, Thom saying the same signs as Owyn OMG.. and Rand thinking his friend can channel... which is all the implications of being the Dragon.. and and.. then The power of the sun compared to you and then Nynaeve's healing blast (ohh the fact she got angry about Lan was epic) and Logain saying power of the sun... implying Nynaeve might be the dragon (especially after the dark friend last episode sayin 5)... OHHH light I'm glad I'm a fan and not new to the series with any confusion on who the DR actually is *giggles*

Definitely my favorite episode so far..

Although I am upset about not needing 13 to gentle him.. :tug
 

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Just realized we now have 3 red herring Dragons with Egwene, Mat, and Nynaeve as of this cliffhanger. Rand's was super super subtle. Mat and Nynaeve outright.

I do appreciate how different they made Logain's tale. It helps explain a ton without a lot of random chit chat on the trail. While the diehards will hate on it, it does help explain with action instead of passively from a screen standpoint.
 

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:omg:omg:embarassed:mg

I just right now I'm still just excited.

I loved the first three but this one blew me away.

The way Logain's madness is shown. Just him in general.

Mat being creepy af. I never read it that way but holy crap.

Thom fighting the fade.

ALANNA!!! Just Alanna!!!

The one Green with the short hair looked like she was Earth Bending. :laugh:

Nynaeve and Lan!!!

The warders in general and how they added in so much works building exposition.

I love the way they are protesting Red's it makes me so happy. That thusfar it isn't just man hating. They are the upholders of Tower Law.

NYNAEVE.

:yay:yay:yay
 

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Just watched it. All of the feels for Nynaeve’s first bomb.
 

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My concern is.. maybe not concern.. but we know how we meet Min is changing.. and I finally can see the titles if the last 3 episodes...

Episode 6 – “The Flame of Tar Valon”
Episode 7 - "The Dark Along the Ways"
Episode 8 - "The Eye of the World"

So with the change if Logains storyline.. will they still parade him around.. we arent seeing Caemlyn this season, so.. they won't be fleeing into the Ways from there...

They'll see Tar Valon before the Ways?

Ohh the hmmms I've got in my head..
 

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I'm living for the poly representation in this episode with the Greens and their Warders.

So much this!

One little thing I loved was Logain retaining from the books the ability to see ta'veren and saying about Nynaeve shining like the sun like he did about seeing Rand in Caemlyn. It's such a minor detail, and yet it's my favorite one they've included so far.
 
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So much this!

One little thing I loved was Logain retaining from the books the ability to see ta'veren and saying about Nynaeve shining like the sun like he did about seeing Rand in Caemlyn. It's such a minor detail, and yet it's my favorite one they've included so far.
I took that more in reference to what him and moiraine had just said about his power level... and solidly dropping nynaeve into the 5 the dark friend mentioned and then Mat and Rand brought up as 5 again this episode.. putting nynaeve squarely in the running for the DR group of 5.
 
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omg I loved every single micro second of this episode.

One of my favorite things about it is how they've actually given a fair rendering of Way of the Leaf / non-violence / pacifism. Very often in shows where our protagonists are fine with using violence, the pacifists are depicted as naive, cowardly, or "you can only be a pacifist because I protect you from the Big Bad World." I never really felt from RJ's writing that the Way of the Leaf is a system worth taking seriously. Simple and beautiful, but not "realistic." But Ila explaining it to Perrin was just so beautiful and perfect. I'm not a pacifist, but I've strongly considered becoming one and people like Ila are why. I think the presentation was truly compelling in the show. That is just so wonderful and makes me truly happy.

Also the idea of a tuatha'an rumspringa is pretty cool. It's not talked about in EotW, so I think it's new to the show? Regardless I love it.

I'm really curious to see if my non-book-reader friends who are watching this with me on Saturday will be able to pick up the difference between mashadar and the Corruption? It was hella obvious to me and my partner, but I've read the books four times and him EotW twice. There's a distinct visual difference in the show, but I don't know how well it's going to communicate "these two things are not the same."

Once again, I wish there was something for Egwene to be doing. The fact that Egwene is literally just a tagalong in the book when she's my favorite has always been the hardest part for me on re-reads, so I'm not surprised I'm struggling with it in the show. Just. Let. Her. Be. Awesome! thx.

I am super curious now if they're going to keep Alanna's Misdeed in the show. I love her so much! She's so much fun! The way her and Moiraine acknowledged how Kerene was trying to use her was hilarious, and the bit about the dog is just so Moiraine. And then she just handles that army outside. So if they keep her ... ah... decision ... yeah I'm curious. We get some inklings of her logic, maybe? The seeds of it? The Dragon must be stopped from Breaking the world again, but not gentled by the Reds. IF the Dragon's her warder, would Tower tradition of non-interference with Aes Sedai and their warders help pre-empt them trying to gentle him? Maybe?

I started seal-clapping when Helga gave Mat the doll. Yay! Birgitte! Also the way they're showing how great Mat is with kids before we get to Olver.

I'm also sad this seems to be all we're getting of Thom, unless he pops again sooner than the books. He does peace out of the plot in the first 1/3 of EotW so at this pacing of 8 episodes it makes sense for him to sacrifice himself against the Fade now at the halfway point, but I already miss him.
 

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WOW! That was amazing. I actually watched it twice. I watched it first on my own, then I made my fiancee catch up on episodes 3 and 4 so I could watch it again. So many amazing things. And I loved the way the warder's relationships with their Aes Sedai and each other were portrayed. The whole episode was fantastic. Just wow!
 
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The graphics for the taint was SO GOOD!
Light surrounded by the dark taint.
It’s not at all how I imagined it, but it was epic and really got the idea across! Can’t wait for them to explain it in more depth!

Not sure how much I liked the whole Logain arch, but it was relatively “on step” with the books.
My biggest issue with it was at the end. How did he see Nyneave channel? Male channelers aren’t supposed to see Saidar, yet he recoiled as if blinded.


Some VERY good things in this episode though:
Shadow Jumping fade - this was done SO WELL!
We get to see linking for the first time, which was epic!
The Way of the Leaf explanation!
 

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My initial reaction to Logain seeing Nynaeve channel was that he saw saidar, but now that I'm reminded he has the Talent to see ta'veren I can see that being the case. We know Nynaeve isn't one in the books... but since the Three lost their ta'veren nature after Tarmon Gaidon, perhaps this was done to illustrate that our choices impact the pattern and that the pattern can choose someone to be ta'veren and it's not something you're necessarily born as.

Also, working on translating Nynaeve's prayer because I know for DAMN sure Lan's translation is not correct. Anyone else working on it?

Transcribed for your convenience:

Ayend’an atha’an’shari’a marath allende’nesodhin an’ara’rhiod e’fel loviyagae zavilat’a’veren Ba’asa

So far I have "The dead peoples’ blood pass through our land and our memories will change the pattern with our devotion"

It's not precise, and some of it is directly translated and some is interpreted to make sense. I would love someone else's input.

ETA: New version of the translation since I missed that some of the phrases/compound words are available in the companion: "The fallen peoples’ blood pass through our land and our memories will change the pattern, Heart"
 
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I just finished it.

I love that Logain is getting a bigger story line in the show than he did in the books, but not sure how I feel about him showing signs of madness. It makes me wonder if he actually had symptoms in the books and just masked really well.

I ship Nynaeve and Lan so hard. Their chemistry on screen is amazing.

I worry for Mat. I like that they made his illness more visible. It's not just him being paranoid and suspicious, but like... he is unwell.

I'm living for the poly representation in this episode with the Greens and their Warders.

And can we talk about Nynaeve's healing bomb? Like... go off, queen.

OH oh oh, also I love the way they made the Fade move. We'd only seen him from horseback so far and watching that part of a fight with Thom was awesome.
Logain was affected by the madness in the books. He was afraid to release the one power He felt that if he did he wouldn't be able to embrace it again
 

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That's pretty close, Azlan.

I don't know if I get the Jenny the Dog bit. I thought it was going to be a Siuan reference. I missed what that meant.
 

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Omgggg yes
Is all I can muster. I keep rewatching the bomb bit onwards
 
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