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So what are your main issues with the show so far?

Here is my short list:
1. MASSIVE focus shift. Because the show wanted to create some mystery around the identity of the Dragon Reborn, they put a lot more focus on other characters of the EF5. However, even AFTER his identity was discovered - they kept the focus away!
This was manifested in several way, but the worst in my opinion is the battle at the end. in the novels, that battle was Rand's first big reveal! a beacon of light destroying the shadow's army, showing himself to the Borderlanders' army.
Instead, this job was given to a random circle of women, who for some reason burnt out even though you're not supposed to suffer that in a circle. This felt forced, like "lets give the women more prominent roles", as if the whole season wasn't already full of women power.

2. The strange Ter'angreal portal. Need I say more? I don't care that they took the hints of lesbian romance from the novels and put them straight out there, that was actually ok. But what the heck was with that portal?! At first I thought, "maybe this is Tel'Aran'Rhiod", but no (unless they deliberately didn't to the small details changing thing).

3. Warders. Forget the missing cloaks and such - why are warders so... pathetic? What happened to emotionless stony faces? Why is Lan suddenly crying like that in a weird ceremony? That was just wrong on so many levels...

Those are my top complaints.
 
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I don't think the Warders have been made pathetic whatsoever for showing emotion rather than being cold and stone faced. This is probably one of the better choices that was made because in media we see too many men who don't show emotion or spread that ridiculous mantra about men being wusses for crying and openly showing their feelings. The majority of the warders in the books have very little characterization beyond being emotionless slabs. We need more media showing men expressing raw emotions like grief and having friendships with one another that are brotherly without being gross and toxic.

That being said, I don't have any major issues with it other than some of the affects being a bit corny looking but I trust these will have been improved by season 2. I dislike what happened to Moiraine towards the end of episode 8 and that didn't feel necessary and too early for that to be brought about. That episode over all was pretty lack luster compared to the rest
 
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I don't think the Warders have been made pathetic whatsoever for showing emotion rather than being cold and stone faced. This is probably one of the better choices that was made because in media we see too many men who don't show emotion or spread that ridiculous mantra about men being wusses for crying and openly showing their feelings. The majority of the warders in the books have very little characterization beyond being emotionless slabs. We need more media showing men expressing raw emotions like grief and having friendships with one another that are brotherly without being gross and toxic.

That being said, I don't have any major issues with it other than some of the affects being a bit corny looking but I trust these will have been improved by season 2. I dislike what happened to Moiraine towards the end of episode 8 and that didn't feel necessary and too early for that to be brought about. That episode over all was pretty lack luster compared to the rest

Lets agree to disagree. While I agree that "men should cry" is true, this is not our own world. Whether it's healthy or not is hardly the point, it's a HUGE shift from the books, and the whole point of the warder bond is that the warders can withstand more than regular soldiers, both psychologically and physically. That scenes was just cringe from start to finish, and so different than the character should have been at this point in the show.

Also, if they make this change, it will diminish Rand's "we need to be vulnerable men" revelation with the Asheman.
 

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The crying and "weird ceremony" was taken directly from Daniel Henney's Korean ancestry. It's a type of funerary tradition in which a person is singled out to release the grief of a community. It's not a new idea and it's not weird. Multiple cultures worldwide practice this idea of grief release.

It makes sense to demonstrate that kind of funerary tradition. RJ touched in some of the funerary practices in New Spring, but remember, he created Randland as an amalgamation of multiple real world cultures following a massive upheaval. Which culture remains completely intact and unchanged after 3,000 years?

That funerary tradition was used to show non readers how much the Warder bond means. How else can you effectively describe the mental impact of losing a Warder? It also shows the importance of Tower relationships for nonreaders.

The show is trying to appease the longtime readers and also create new fans who have never read the books. The film medium can never totally capture the world of WoT in the same way as RJ did. Millions of imaginations have run wild with the books. Of course the film will be different from the books. It's a new Turning for a truly massive work.
 
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The crying and "weird ceremony" was taken directly from Daniel Henney's Korean ancestry. It's a type of funerary tradition in which a person is singled out to release the grief of a community. It's not a new idea and it's not weird. Multiple cultures worldwide practice this idea of grief release.

It was weird in the context of the show/books, no matter if it is not weird in some cultures. That's not relevant. See my comments above.
 

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I’m another you’ll have to agree to disagree with. I don’t think the Warders are pathetic at all. I think having the expectation that humans be completely stoic and never show emotion is far too high and too fantastical even for a fantasy show. Lan, in the show, is fairly stoic. I thought the scene of the funeral was quite touching and showed how deeply he was feeling the loss of a Battle Brother. It makes for far more interesting characters to have them lounging and laughing together at a campfire, grieving for a brother, grieving for a lost Aes Sedai.

I agree re: your first point though. I didn’t like that the women burned out in a link, and I didn’t like that these randos were the ones to fight the trolloc hoard rather than Rand, the most powerful channeler ever. They’ve definitely not shown that Rand is the most powerful ever. Underwhelming.
 
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Lets agree to disagree. While I agree that "men should cry" is true, this is not our own world. Whether it's healthy or not is hardly the point, it's a HUGE shift from the books, and the whole point of the warder bond is that the warders can withstand more than regular soldiers, both psychologically and physically. That scenes was just cringe from start to finish, and so different than the character should have been at this point in the show.

Also, if they make this change, it will diminish Rand's "we need to be vulnerable men" revelation with the Asheman.

There's nothing to suggest that Warders still can't withstand more than regular soldiers by having a scene showing them mourning or them sitting down relaxing with one another making jokes and laughing. Warders in the books don't engage much with one another very much and that wouldn't make for interesting viewing of these men just standing around glowering all the time. The change brings some humanity to them that doesn't exist much in the books and makes the viewer care more for them and become more invested. I don't care for most of the Warders in the books because they haven't been given much in terms of character or personality. I'm more emotionally invested in these characters on the show because more life has been breathed into them than what they're initially given
 
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Did they perhaps use the Trolloc battle and the burning out of the randos to illustrate the danger of using the Power? They probably could have illustrated that later in Season 2 or something, because I agree: Rand should have come in and shown what he was made of.
 

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For me so far (im on episode 5)

1) Loial - just looks wrong. I know this is subjective but I honestly didnt like it. Voice and manner is fine but otherwise nope.

2) No Caemlyn - This sets up so much later with the meeting with Elayne and Gil.

3) No 'ways' - cmon this better be in there later.

4) Toms singing - Please don't sing again.

I did like the extra bits with Logain and have enjoyed seeing the interplay between warders and Aes Sedai.
 
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For me so far (im on episode 5)

1) Loial - just looks wrong. I know this is subjective but I honestly didnt like it. Voice and manner is fine but otherwise nope.

2) No Caemlyn - This sets up so much later with the meeting with Elayne and Gil.

3) No 'ways' - cmon this better be in there later.

4) Toms singing - Please don't sing again.

I did like the extra bits with Logain and have enjoyed seeing the interplay between warders and Aes Sedai.
I'm 100% with you there on Loial's look and Tom's singing. I expected Loial to be bigger and have longer eyebrows. And Tom's voice is anything but melodic. It's not enough to ruin the show for me....just ways in which it differed from the books that I would have preferred they stayed the same.
 

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The one thing which bothered me was more of a continuity matter. When they came out of the Ways to FD. No eye squinting from dark to light action going on. It irked me more than it should've.
 
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