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Yeah....I keep having to stop myself and load another book. :giggle
 

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SAME. I really want to breeze through this one but I'm forcing myself to the slow pace.
 

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I remember being particularly fascinated, as a (loosely) Christian teenager and a new sci-fi fan, at the idea of the Bene Gesserit seeding the galaxy with prophecies to give their people an in with the locals wherever they went.
 

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Yes! I was fascinated about this as well and still am. It is pretty brilliant actually.
 

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I can’t decide if I like, despise, or pity Duke Leto. Probably some combination of the three. Thinks like

To hold Arakis one is faced with decisions that may cost one his self respect

Power and fear, the tools of state craft

This whole interaction between Leto and Paul after the counsel session is quite depressing. His plans to deceive the Harkonnens by acting like he distrusts Jessica, very distasteful
 

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Not sure which is more socially accepted here on the site, editing to add to a post or double posting, so please forgive me if I have stomped upon custom in this second post…

I think I’m settling into liking the Duke. The scene when he saves the Spice miners, and the dinner party both swung me over. Some of his behavior still seems a bit iver the top, but he does seem to be coming from an honest and earnest place.

And the first worm showing was interesting, but I hope for some more details on them later in the book.
 

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This whole interaction between Leto and Paul after the counsel session is quite depressing. His plans to deceive the Harkonnens by acting like he distrusts Jessica, very distasteful

I always thought his logic was weird. I feel like the book has gone out of its way so far to show us the things that Paul, Jessica and others notice thanks to their Bene Gesserit training, of which the duke has none, so wouldn't he be more likely to give up the charade than Jessica? His reasons for keeping her in the dark about it just seem silly to me and I would expect her to see through his behavior as well.
 

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Is anyone else still reading along with the posted schedule? I just finished the section for 9/29 and I'm about to start the section for 10/6.

... don't forget the tooth my dear Duke ...
 

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I am! I just finished book 1.

I remember being excited about the idea of Paul being this new thing and this prophesized person and all the special things he is, but his POV at the end of this book was kinda overwhelming to me. He keeps thinking about how slow his mom is and I'm like, what about me? I'm slow too! Explain it for me too! :laugh:
 

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I think I’m a little behind the posted schedule, but not by much. I’ve been bouncing between like three or four books recently.

Trying to stay mostly on pace with read along and the WoT one required “buffer books” or I get too far ahead :-).

I just finished one of those, and ended up just finishing The Dragon Reborn so I’m ready to catch backup here. Looking forward to seeing what is next for young Paul and family.
 

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I am! I just finished book 1.

I remember being excited about the idea of Paul being this new thing and this prophesized person and all the special things he is, but his POV at the end of this book was kinda overwhelming to me. He keeps thinking about how slow his mom is and I'm like, what about me? I'm slow too! Explain it for me too! :laugh:
Yeah this part makes so much more sense to me now than it did the first time I read it. :p
 

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Just finished Book 1 and was a bit taken by surprise by the fast pace of the last couple of “chapters”.

Not sure where everyone is and the rules for spoilers in the forum… so.

It had been maybe a week sense I had read last, and stopped just before the scene where Jessica wakes in the middle of the night and confronts Hawat. From there through the end of the book was like the plot speed went to 11.

Do we get to learn more about the powers Jessica and the other BGs have, and how they get them in this book? The unvailing of these powers all of a sudden came out of no where. Or maybe I missed something earlier in the book…

I found it a bit surprising that Team Harcon could get so many people on planet without anyone from Team Leto noticing. Smuggle a few spies or gear in, sure. But a big army at once, and the pomp and luxury that the Baron requires… thats a big gap in planetary security.

And what exactly triggered the change in Paul? Just the stress of the circumstances?
 

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@Hal Bahalla I agree about the plot speed - everything up to the meeting with Jessica and Hawat moves as a steady pace and then the next segment really rockets forward.

I'll put my response in spoilers just in case anyone is behind in the story...

I think we got a glimpse of the BG abilities with the Reverend Mother earlier in the story, and with a few things Jessica has said or alluded to. It was definitely made much clearer in her conversation with Hawat though! I can't recall if we learn more about those abilities but I THINK so ...

Regarding the incoming troops, I think the deal is that all the troops were disguised as Imperial soldiers and even though that is what was Leto expected the Baron to do there still would be no way to stop Imperial soldiers from landing on Arrakis without declaring war on the Emperor. So that's the Baron's way in.

IMO Paul explained the change in himself pretty well but that could be because I'm familiar with what comes later so his explanation made sense to me. Basically, all the people on the planet ingest spice constantly and it affects who they are, but in an unconscious way. The events of the capture/escape required Paul's full attention, and his brain grabbed on to every bit of useful information it could find to figure out what to do next, and the spice was a new thing for his brain to latch on to. For Paul, the effects are NOT unconscious bc all of his BG training doesn't allow him to push things to the unconscious part of his brain. The question for me is, does that make sense to a new reader, or only to someone who is familiar with the story?
 

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@Hal Bahalla now that I've read up through this week's portion I think the situation with the Hatkonnen troops is far more clear, so you agree?
I had forgottenhow many troops the Baron brought - the fact that it would take 50-60 YEARS of spice profits to pay for it is absolutely insane. And it shows not only how committed the Baron is but how valuable Arrakis is.
 

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I haven’t started Book 2 yet so holding off om checking your spoiler until I do. Youve get me interested now though. I’ll crack it open tonight and see what is going on.
 

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Ooh yeah, let me know what you think after you read the next portion.

Also,
I forgot how many characters die early in the book. Or rather, I forgot HOW EARLY some of them die.
 

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@Maibella ni Rhoiden t'al'Varrak ok, I’m caught up as well now. Good section for sure.

The explaination of how many soldiers were brought, that they did get reports of them landing but just that they were overwhelmed by sheer force does clear up some of my disbelief from the end of Book 1.

You seem to count Arakis itself as being valuable enough to invest the amount of money in the invasion, but I’m not sure I buy that. From a monetary point of view, if it was just tha planet they wanted, it looks like a very poor investment. It is going to take generations to pay off that debt.

Rather I think it was more about sheer power desire from the Emperor and Baron. Ridding themselves of a powerful Duke and rival was worth the cost.

And something I’m interested to see how it plays out…

I’m a little frustrated at Hawat’s continued belief that Jessica was the traitor. It seems built on prejudice and overconfidence in the inability to “turn” someone with that special conditioning. Not cool.

And the Baron’s goal of converting Hawat to his side seems very far from a sure thing. This’ll be interesting to watch.
 

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@Hal Bahalla You make a good point about the "poor investment". My thought about possession of Arrakis was that the spice is clearly a very valuable commodity, and there is a major desire to own that source of production no matter how "crappy" of a planet it is for all other purposes. However, it is very possible that my opinion is influenced by my familiarity with the overall story rather than by what has been conveyed by the author up to this point.

Honestly it has been VERY interesting to me to read this at the current pace alongside people who have never read it before - I'm constantly challenging what I'm reading into various scenes, and realizing how much my familiarity with the story is influencing my perception of it this time around. I'd love to hear from more of you who are reading along, either for the first time or as a reread!
 
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