Logically and desirable Mat would fight Demandred, commander against commander.:horsey
Padan Fain against SH, nice idea. Ultra-Fade against abomination.
Padan Fain against SH, nice idea. Ultra-Fade against abomination.
A crazy theory about Rand and Moridin:
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Aulrick Vendour
Gaidin
Interesting... Fain vs. SH huh?
While that idea makes sense, I hope my theory will be confirmed - Fain will be used to kill the DO somehow. The evil of Shadar Logoth is the only confirmed thing we have that is equal to the shadow. That was seen both by Rand's wounds and the cleansing of Saidin. If the shadow is to be over, Fain has to be involved.
While that idea makes sense, I hope my theory will be confirmed - Fain will be used to kill the DO somehow. The evil of Shadar Logoth is the only confirmed thing we have that is equal to the shadow. That was seen both by Rand's wounds and the cleansing of Saidin. If the shadow is to be over, Fain has to be involved.
Or the Shadow in his full capacity finishes PF, but doing so weakens the DO enough for Rand to dispense with him once and for all...
Aulrick Vendour
Gaidin
That would still count within the realms of my theory. I'm not sure HOW he will be used, but I'm sure he will be.
We will have to wait and see. But we know one thing for sure. It is going to be an epic show-down
Aulrick Vendour
Gaidin
One can only hope :P
This is either going to turn out as my new favorite book of all times, or my biggest disappointment :P
This is either going to turn out as my new favorite book of all times, or my biggest disappointment :P
According to the spoiler-free review on tor.com it is going to be the the former
Axis m'Troutilas
Gaidin
Fain will definitely be involved, he's an aberration of the pattern. Something unique to this turning of the wheel.
It's gonna play a big factor no doubt.
Aulrick Vendour
Gaidin
He is? How do you know?
While I want to know how, just knowing validates my theory even more.
While I want to know how, just knowing validates my theory even more.
I keep hearing theories that Fain may replace the Dark One as an entity, as absurd as that may sound.
Aulrick Vendour
Gaidin
Interesting.
It's true that the Shadow and Fain's evil worked the same way. In the GWB it was described that the shadow wascreeping into the world slowly, encouraging and hightening people's bad emotions. In TEotW it was described that Mordeth arrived at Shadar Logoth and started doing the same, but against the shadow, making people more and more evil.
The thing is, I can't see how it'll be done, nore a need for it. Despite what people think, the DO is NOT the SOURCE of evil, he's simply amplifying it. If both he and Fain would die, there'll be more then enough evil left in the world. An entity of evil is simply not necessery.
It's true that the Shadow and Fain's evil worked the same way. In the GWB it was described that the shadow wascreeping into the world slowly, encouraging and hightening people's bad emotions. In TEotW it was described that Mordeth arrived at Shadar Logoth and started doing the same, but against the shadow, making people more and more evil.
The thing is, I can't see how it'll be done, nore a need for it. Despite what people think, the DO is NOT the SOURCE of evil, he's simply amplifying it. If both he and Fain would die, there'll be more then enough evil left in the world. An entity of evil is simply not necessery.
There is a need for an evil-amplifying entity.
In the world of WoT there is a concept of balance between opposites, like yin-yang or saidin and saidar. The Creator is the force of Good opposing the Dark One as the force of Evil. If either one should fall away, there is an inbalance.
This inbalance has to be corrected, so it could be possible that Fain replaces the Dark One....
In the world of WoT there is a concept of balance between opposites, like yin-yang or saidin and saidar. The Creator is the force of Good opposing the Dark One as the force of Evil. If either one should fall away, there is an inbalance.
This inbalance has to be corrected, so it could be possible that Fain replaces the Dark One....
Aulrick Vendour
Gaidin
Balance? Really?
The creator has all but forsaken men. I find the very comparison strange. The creator is an unknown entity. The DO is REAL. It can be felt, it has power that it gives directly. The creator is more of a universal law thingy.
The creator has all but forsaken men. I find the very comparison strange. The creator is an unknown entity. The DO is REAL. It can be felt, it has power that it gives directly. The creator is more of a universal law thingy.
The Creator can be felt too, through the One Power.
When He created the Wheel, he made it turn by Saidin and Saidar. This has been his "gift" to the world.
His other half was the DO, who he imprisoned immediately by using the Pattern as his prison (as discussed in another thread). He couldn't be felt until just before the creation of the Bore. So he would have been some universal law thing everyone just had forgotten about.
That the Creator doesn't interact anymore with the world could be because he locked himself out of the Pattern when he sealed the DO. A necessary side-effect if you will. This would mean they can bore to him to, if they would find the place where he is imprisoned since his own creation. I really doubt it that he will have a role to play in AMoL, but in theory, he would be accessable in the normal world.
When He created the Wheel, he made it turn by Saidin and Saidar. This has been his "gift" to the world.
His other half was the DO, who he imprisoned immediately by using the Pattern as his prison (as discussed in another thread). He couldn't be felt until just before the creation of the Bore. So he would have been some universal law thing everyone just had forgotten about.
That the Creator doesn't interact anymore with the world could be because he locked himself out of the Pattern when he sealed the DO. A necessary side-effect if you will. This would mean they can bore to him to, if they would find the place where he is imprisoned since his own creation. I really doubt it that he will have a role to play in AMoL, but in theory, he would be accessable in the normal world.
Aulrick Vendour
Gaidin
Jell - I disagree. The creator is like today's god. He's something people believe in, but you won't be able to point at something specific and say "that's god's work." With the DO there is a place, a presence, a power. He TALKS to people, people can feel him, can see his direct influence. The closest thing we've seen like that of the creator is when Zen Rand starts healing the world.
I also disagree about the One Power and True Power comparison. With the One Power, it's something you are born with, the ability to channel. The TP is a direct gift given by the DO and needing his permission to use.
In other words, I disagree with the comparison. I find it to be not only lacking but completely out of sync with what we know of Randland.
I also disagree about the One Power and True Power comparison. With the One Power, it's something you are born with, the ability to channel. The TP is a direct gift given by the DO and needing his permission to use.
In other words, I disagree with the comparison. I find it to be not only lacking but completely out of sync with what we know of Randland.
Yes, they can feel him, hear him, because of the Bore. Before the Bore people couldn't percieve him. This is why the AoL was such a peaceful time. The DO wasn't present to amplify the dark feelings in people. Now he is a place, because they made him a place.
I would like to alter my statement about the nature of the Creator, if permitted. Because He created the Wheel, the Pattern and the world he has a certain influence on it all. Evidence for this argument I find in ta'veren. You cannot deny they change the world for the better. To me, this is the influence of the Creator in Randland.
Instead of more observable events like the DO, he works in more stealthty ways. The stronger the ta'veren, the better you see the effects (Zen Rand healing the world).
Or he is Bela, of course...
I would like to alter my statement about the nature of the Creator, if permitted. Because He created the Wheel, the Pattern and the world he has a certain influence on it all. Evidence for this argument I find in ta'veren. You cannot deny they change the world for the better. To me, this is the influence of the Creator in Randland.
Instead of more observable events like the DO, he works in more stealthty ways. The stronger the ta'veren, the better you see the effects (Zen Rand healing the world).
Or he is Bela, of course...
Aulrick Vendour
Gaidin
No... Demandred is Bela... This has already been established, why do people keep arguing with me about it? :P
Like the known internet meme: Why not both?
I have noticed this thread hasn't been about Rand and Moridin for a few posts now.
Talking about drifting off topic
Talking about drifting off topic
Axis m'Troutilas
Gaidin
Old, old quote. Which many might not remember............ but I do.
Very very high possibility of Fain being one of the keys to the end of this.