2015 Re-Readalong: Eye of the World and The Great Hunt

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Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: EoTW, Chapter 14 - Chapter 20

It took me ages to work that out. The only one I recognised the first couple of times was on the road to Caemlyn :laugh:
 

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Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: EoTW, Chapter 14 - Chapter 20

Imz: Because Mat gets hanged later. Rubbing his neck now...foreshadowing his hanging.

:facepalm of course! I forgot about that! :laugh: (and I prefer be called Imz or something like that, Im is too short :shifty )
 

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Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: EoTW, Chapter 14 - Chapter 20

That's awesome, Mai! :laugh: Nice job getting him into the series. :p

Roh, yeah, that passage stuck out to me too! :brown-blink:

  • Rand: Sword that's not a sword (Callandor). Gold crown of laurel leaves (Laurel Crown of Illian). Beggar's staff (what's this?). Pouring water on sand (no idea). Bloody hand and white hot iron (losing his hand? What's the iron, then? Maybe that's the best way she can describe balefire?). Three women at his funeral bier (Last Battle, of course. Of all the things she sees, this is the one that persists throughout the series.). Black rock wet with blood (Last Battle again). Lightning (lots of things this could apply to, I think). She and Rand will meet again (she also sees love there, but doesn't say anything, just looks confused).

I assumed that the pouring of water onto sand was when Rand makes water spring up in the Aiel waste.

The beggar's staff could be when he disguises himself as a beggar that one time... though that seems like a bit of a minor thing to make it into a viewing. :scratch

Eala, Oh! That makes sense about channeling on the Spray! I actually hadn't connected that incident to him using the Power. I just figured he got lucky (i.e. ta'veren) and the guy had forgotten to tie down the boom. But that would make more sense if he accidentally used the Power! Rereading the paragraph now, it seems so obvious. :laugh:
 

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Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: EoTW, Chapter 14 - Chapter 20

but the gates stay shut from sundown to sunup. (...) anyway, there's wolves out there. Killed a dozen cows in the last week.

thats what the watchman at the gate says, when they're leaving Barelon. Could it actually be trollocs? Since they came with Fain and the Fade?
 

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Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: EoTW, Chapter 14 - Chapter 20

What bit in particular? The whole 'I don't want to change for a man' then *totally changes for a man* thing really bugged me. But I saw something where Brandon Sanderson said there are parts of WoT where we're SUPPOSED to be frustrated with the characters. Still, that one particular aspect made me a bit ugh.

That, but also that she loses any shred of personality or any motivation not related to her relationship with Rand as soon as she starts hanging out with him on the regular. Past the second or third book, nearly the only thing she does that isn't about Rand (about Rand the man, not about Rand the way everyone does things that are about Rand because he's the Dragon Reborn) is have viewings. For a while there, it seems like her interest is Fel's work might be a returning glimmer of personality or something she does for her own enjoyment, but no, it turns out that's all for Rand, too. There's even a scene in one of the later-mid books (Crossroads of Twilight, maybe?) where half of the sentences she utters are just, "Rand." It starts to feel like she's only there so Rand will have someone to crazy at and to be a walking plot device with her viewings. And the Min Farshaw we meet in Baerlon has so much more potential than that.

That would make more sense, but this was something I remember Robert Jordan writing or saying. It was apparently from an interview for Glimmers, but I don't know more than that

Weird. I'm really not sure how to interpret the viewings of Lan in that context.
 

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Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: EoTW, Chapter 14 - Chapter 20

Yeah, the thing with Min made me sad. :( I couldn't figure out why until I read similar assessments of how Min's character changes throughout the series, but I just remember loving Min when we first meet her and then... not loving her later. :\ She was one of my favorite characters for awhile and then at some point I realized that I wasn't really enjoying the parts with her as much anymore and couldn't figure out why...
 

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Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: EoTW, Chapter 14 - Chapter 20

Min is cool up until the point where she attaches herself to Rand and never leaves again. I liked her when she was helping Siuan and Leane.
 

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Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: EoTW, Chapter 14 - Chapter 20

Okay, I am no longer behind! Here's last week's. I'm already on Chapter 15, but I want to keep all of my posts for the week in one place, so I'll just post last week.



Chapter 6, "The Westwood"
- What did Tam do in the army? I know it's mentioned later, I just can't remember.

He did not care any more about why the Trollocs had come. If he never found out why, that would be fine.
- Oh Rand, you poor, simple farmboy.
- Was there an Avendesora tree in the Green Man's Field? I thought the only one was in the Waste.

Next he might actually meet the Green Man, or an Ogier Giant, or a wile, black-veiled Aielman.
- Really? Are we just planning out the beginning of the series now?
- I feel so bad for Rand when Tam says that he found Rand in the snow. Poor kid. He had to have suspected, though. He lived in a village where everyone had different color eyes than him, he was a foot taller than everyone else, and he knew that he came from out the village (didn't he? I can't remember on that last part).



Chapter 7, "Out Of The Woods"
- Alsbet Luhhan is a badass, wanting to go find Trollocs. :laugh:
- It's weird and amazing how unfazed the Emond's Fielders are about the whole thing. Like, yeah, this huge attack just happened, but they're not asking "Why us?" They're just trying to rebuild after it.
- Oh lord, Nynaeve not being able to save Tam. :( ALL THE FEELS.
- It's such a tender moment, and a rare one, when Nynaeve is nice. I really like that about her. She's a raging bitch most of the time, but she has her moments. It's probably why she's one of my favorite characters.
- Thom helping Rand with Tam seems... kind of odd? I don't know. It just seems a little out of place for him. Not that he's not a nice guy, just that he's a bit more gruff than kind.
- What is Thom getting at with the Dragon's Fang comment? Is he trying to remind Bran that Moiraine is an Aes Sedai, trying to get Bran to suggest that Rand go see her?
- Who did mark the door with the Dragon's Fang? Padan Fain? Myrdraal? A Coplin/Congar?
- Oh, right, Trolloc tribes. Those were a thing once.
- Aw, Lan's first time calling Rand "Sheepherder". It's the beginning of a beautiful relationship.



Chapter 8, "A Place of Safety"
- Was Thom helping out during the raid? For Lan to not have seen him is saying something, even in the heat of battle.

Lan said:
"There are places where a heron is the symbol of a master swordsman."
- Yeah. Everywhere.
- Only some Thrakan'dar forged weapons have a taint on them? That's interesting. I thought all of 'em did.
- When Lan says that the rider was a Myrddraal, Rand doesn't believe him. But in the last chapter, Rand says that there was a Myrddraal. I guess Rand never said that the rider was the Fade, so he never made the connection. Still, that's a little weird.
- So, Lan says that only the weakest of Aes Sedai couldn't handle a Fade one-on-one, but then said later (on the same page) that both he and Moiraine failed to take it out.
- Who did train the Myrddraal after the Dreadlords fell? Who orders them around when there aren't Forsaken? The Dark One doesn't talk straight to them. That's only with Shaidar Haran. Hm.
- Lan is surprised when Rand says that he talked to a trolloc. I guess Narg is special. Do no other Trollocs bother to speak English?
- Moiraine's speech about how so much is lost from the Age of Legends... I'm so glad that she got to see things restored. I imagine that all Aes Sedai must feel that pressure of not being enough.

Moiraine said:
"In one of you, or all three, there is something the Dark One fears.
- Awesome quote.
- I wonder what Mistress al'Vere and Moiraine talked about.



Chapter 9, "Tellings of the Wheel"
- I never liked this dream sequence, I don't know why.
- Is Ishamael controlling/contributing to this dream? Or is it just a nightmare of Rand's own imagination. The places he sees (Dragonmount and The White Tower) are things he's never seen, but does he know about it enough to imagine it?
- Even back in the dream, it was shown that he hated being controlled and caged.
- What was the first mountain that he saw. The second was Dragonmount, but what was the first?

The bleak stone spire, a dagger stabbing at the heavens, was the source of his desolation. He had never seen it before, but he knew it.

In the distance reared a single mountain, its peak broken and split, but this mountain brought no fear or despair. It was just a mountain, though oddly out of place there, with no other in sight.

- In his dream, Tar Valon has walkways in the open air. Does the real Tar Valon? For some reason, I didn't think it did. That was more of an Age of Legends thing, wasn't it?
- Yeah, this description of Tar Valon is way too accurate not to be influenced. It might be Ishamael's interpretation of Tar Valon, but its' definitely not Rand's.

Slowly his breathing slowed.
- Oh, that sentence is difficult to read. You're better than this, RJ. :(
- It would have been interesting if Tam had gone with the company.
- God, I friggin' love The Telling of Manetheren.
- "Aemon al Caar al Thorin". Like... Oakenshield? :look:
- I don't remember Ba'alzamon being mentioned here. Interesting.

Her voice held the sound of cold tears.
- Reading that sent shivers down my spine.
- At the end of the chapter, Rand promises himself that he will come back. if I recall correctly, it's not until the last book that he does so, and even then, it's not really a homecoming. :(



Chapter 10, "Leavetaking"
- Aw, Lan's first time calling Perrin "Blacksmith". :D
- Rand wasn't told not to say anything to anyone about the trip, so why is Moiraine mad at him?
- It's rare that we see Lan disagreeing with Rand so openly (about Egwene coming along). And before that, he mutters to himself about having to move so fast.

"Wolves!" Perrin exclaimed.
- RJ must have had a good chuckle writing that.
- Why did Moiraine look sharply at Thom when he said something about the Draghkar? Is she surprised that he knew about them? He's a Gleeman, so it'd be weird if he didn't. Or did she just not want the Emond's Fielders to know about it?



Chapter 11, "The Road to Taren Ferry"

With all his heart and desperation he silently shoute to Bela to run like the wind, silently tried to will strength into her. Run! His skin prickled, and his bones felt as if they were freezing, ready to split open. The Light help her, run! And Bela ran.

"You were right about your Bela, Rand," Moiraine said from where she stood by the mare. "She has a good heart, and as much stubornness as the rest of you Two Rivers folk. Strange as it seems, she may be the least weary of all."
- It's interesting to see the effects of Rand's channeling now that we know what to look for. Does his skin always prickle, and his bones always freeze when he channels, or is that just a thing that happens when he doesn't know what he's doing?
- Did Moiraine know even then that Rand was the one channeling? She knows that it couldn't have been Egwene, because she would have sensed it, but she should probably suspect that someone channeled. I know it's mentioned later, but I can't really remember the specifics.
- Rand is such a friggin' Gryffindor. He has his sword out ready to fight, even though he has no idea what he's doing.
- Why would Lan want them to run separately? Aren't they easier to pick off that way?
- Rand's healing of Bela was more effective than Moiraine's healing of the other horses (as evidenced by Bela being able to keep pace with Aldeib and Mandarb). Is this because Rand is more powerful than Moiraine, or because Moiraine limited the healing she gave to the other horses?



Chapter 12, "Across the Taren"

Moiraine said:
"You must handle it. He will remember too much as it is, and no help for it. If I stand out in his thoughts..."
- Is she just referring to talking with the ferryman? That doesn't seem important enough to highlight. The first thought that came to me is that Moiraine wants him killed, but that seems a little too far-fetched.
- When Moiraine is channeling the whirlpool, Rand feels a shiver. Is that him sensing the use of Saidar being used around him? I'll have to check to see if it happens again when Moiraine is channeling.
- Where did the Ferryman and the Haulers go? Is there anything else on that side of the Taren?

In the moonlight, the Aes Sedai seemed taller, somehow, almost looming over them.
- Is Moiraine using the illusion weave?
- Oh, I feel so bad for Rand when Egwene asks if she can become an Aes Sedai. :( Nothing is coming up Rand.

Moiraine said:
"Well, in this part of the world, they might become wisdoms of their villages."
- Seriously, no one thinks about Nynaeve then? What the hell.

Moiraine said:
"Perhaps even the Amyrlin Seat, one day."
- Such prophecy. Much foreshadow.



Chapter 13, "Choices"

She smiled mockingly, as she took her hands away.
- Oh, Moiraine. Don't you ever change.
- Is she Healing them? It doesn't make sense for her to be Healing them, as they're not convulsing or anything. I wonder what kind of weave she's using.
- Did the boys really expect the farms to be different just because they were across the river? Friggin' a, they're idiots sometimes.
- What was Lan thinking when Rand mentioned The Flame and the Void? He had to have been surprised, and a little impressed, but per usual, he gave away nothing.

Egwene said:
"And I will be Aes Sedai, just as soon as I reach Tar Valon."
- Because they totally just give out rings and shawls. Why didn't Moiraine tell her about being a Novice and an Accepted?
- That initial fight between Rand and Egwene is basically every fight they've ever had since.
- Even in the heat of the moment, it was stupid for Rand to suggest that Moiraine might be a Darkfriend. And in front of her? I'm surprised Moiraine didn't say anything, because there's no way that she wasn't offended.

Moiraine said:
"The Dark One is after you three, one or all, and if I let you go running off wherever you want to go, he will take you. Whatever the Dark One wants, I oppose, so hear this and know it true. Before I let the Dark One have you, I will destroy you myself."
- And this is why Moiraine is a badass.
- It seems like later in the series, the relative strengths that men and women have in the respective powers (Men = Earth & Fire, Women = Water & Air) is a lot less important. Later on it seems like they all just use the Power willy-nilly.

Moiraine said:
"Surely before never two in one village."
- More like 40 in one village.

Avin said:
"I know some folks don't hold well with Aes Sedai, but I say, who else is going to stop a false Dragon?"
- Oh Avin, you da real MVP.
- Rand asking questions about prophecy so innocently makes me giggle a little bit. :look: :giggle
 
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Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: EoTW, Chapter 14 - Chapter 20

Rhed said:
In the dream, Rand sees both Shayol Ghul and Dragonmount

Oh, it was Shayol Ghul. Duh.

Rhed said:
I keep coming back to how did Moiraine know to be there, and I asked again in Chapter 7, because TDO knew: the Trollocs burned Mat's dad's house, and the forge, and Perrin's parents' house, and attacked Tam's farm. They were after them specifically. Why? How'd they (Moiraine and TDO) know?

Ishamael was looking for boys of a certain age, because he must have found out about the prophecy the Keeper in New Spring had, and he passed that on to Padan Fain. Padan Fain was directing the Myrddraal. He must have told them about the boys that were of a certain age, and asked around to see where they lived, and directed the Myrddraal to those houses. As for Moiraine, she was also looking for boys of a certain age, and the Trolloc attack just confirmed for her the fact that The Dark One, or someone, knew about the boys as well, so she had to get them to safety.

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  • When People of the Dragon are mentioned, I wonder how much Moiraine was freaking out inside.

Oh man, I never thought about that. :laugh: I normally think of Moiraine as so serene and calm, but the image of her whispering, "Oh shit, oh shit, oh shit," to herself is hilarious. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 

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Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: EoTW, Chapter 14 - Chapter 20

(Triple posting for the win!)

ALSO. Like five years ago I asked a friend to do a mock-up of Moiraine doing The Telling of Manetheren. This is what she drew (in a couple of days). She never got around to finishing it, but I think I might go and poke her. I wrote down a lot of specifics of the scene, like where everyone was standing, who was out in front, etc. In the picture, you'll see Lan & Rand & Mat outside, but Lan & Rand were actually in the doorway, and Mat was peering in through the window. Also, Fain's wagon should be somewhere near there, as all of it took place near where it lay ruined. And the Mayor and Haral Luhhan should be a bit separate from the rest of 'em (they're currently on the right side).

By the way, she did all of this having read the passage once, and with me giving this mock-up of what I was thinking it should look like. :look:
 
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Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: EoTW, Chapter 14 - Chapter 20

Jeffan Caliarthan said:
I feel so bad for Rand when Tam says that he found Rand in the snow. Poor kid. He had to have suspected, though. He lived in a village where everyone had different color eyes than him, he was a foot taller than everyone else, and he knew that he came from out the village (didn't he? I can't remember on that last part).
I'm pretty sure he knew, at least that his mother was an outlander.

Jeffan said:
- So, Lan says that only the weakest of Aes Sedai couldn't handle a Fade one-on-one, but then said later (on the same page) that both he and Moiraine failed to take it out.
He was a sneaky bugger and eluded them? :cheeseeni:

Jeffan said:
In his dream, Tar Valon has walkways in the open air. Does the real Tar Valon? For some reason, I didn't think it did. That was more of an Age of Legends thing, wasn't it?
Something to watch for.

Jeffan said:
RJ said:
Slowly his breathing slowed.
Oh, that sentence is difficult to read. You're better than this, RJ. :(
YES.

Did Moiraine know even then that Rand was the one channeling? She knows that it couldn't have been Egwene, because she would have sensed it, but she should probably suspect that someone channeled. I know it's mentioned later, but I can't really remember the specifics.
Yes.

Why would Lan want them to run separately? Aren't they easier to pick off that way?
Harder to aim correctly at one person vs. a group. If a Draghkar swoops down on 8 people huddled together, he's almost certain to grab someone, and the people have less maneuverability than if they're riding slightly separate.

When Moiraine is channeling the whirlpool, Rand feels a shiver. Is that him sensing the use of Saidar being used around him? I'll have to check to see if it happens again when Moiraine is channeling.
I think it's just seeing the power of the whirlpool sinking the ferry. He doesn't react when she is healing people.

Where did the Ferryman and the Haulers go? Is there anything else on that side of the Taren?
Dunno. The ferryman makes it back across the river, though, because he rows Nynaeve across later.

Is Moiraine using the illusion weave?
I thought so.

Did the boys really expect the farms to be different just because they were across the river? Friggin' a, they're idiots sometimes.
They're incredibly silly.

Because they totally just give out rings and shawls. Why didn't Moiraine tell her about being a Novice and an Accepted?
I know. I snickered at that too.
 

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Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: EoTW, Chapter 14 - Chapter 20

Also: I love your mockup. :giggle
 

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Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: EoTW, Chapter 14 - Chapter 20

On a re-read I was a bit surprised that a common trolloc had a thakan'dar forged blade. Do they all get one? Does every blade use one person? That would be hundreds of thousands of people. Perhaps they gave the trollocs special weapons for this mission? Though that increases the possibility that someone dies accidentally
 

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It amused me to see phrases from curses used in a non-curse way: mother's milk, and ashes & blood.

I have actually began to use WoT curses as a way to swear at work without getting in trouble, I have yet to feel the need to use "mothers milk in a cup" though...the way it is treated I haven't had a need of something so vile"

Don't think so. It's just the weaving of the wheel (once more).

Moraine says she searched for a long time for Rand in book 2, theoretically she spent the majority of the time between being raised and finding Rand searching for him

It is, late in TEotW or early in TGH, too lazy to look it up, we'll pass through it.

Later in book 1 he tells Moraine that he had apparently been sent to spy on the two rivers and was gathering intel for years before (Presumably) Elan Morin distilled his "senses" Elan Morin seems to have had some idea of where to look for The Dragon, but he might have some sense of his "Rival" I wonder if Elan Morin had the talent for seeing Tav'eren, that would explain why he focuses on all 3..he expected the Dragon to be one..and to be there but the other 2 threw him off, as it did Moraine at first

Who's leading the Whitecloaks in Baerlon? Bornhald? Is he (or the leader) one of the Darkfriends there by the Dark One's orders?

Presumably it is Valda who is in charge there as Bornhald the younger was under his command at Tar Valon

Pouring water on sand

Book 4 when he makes it rain in the waste

It's after he meets Elyas. Quite a while, after, really. It only becomes a "thing" during "The Great Hunt".

It is mentioned he does not like the smell of the blight, i think it starts to come in during EoTW but does not become Relevant until Book 2

- What did Tam do in the army? I know it's mentioned later, I just can't remember.

Member of the 100 Companions, hence why it is no real surprise he is a blademaster.



NOW for my own comments

Chapter 12

It totally makes sense for Moraine to sink the ferry here, with what we learn of Trollocs and Half-men being afraid of water, a river like this would be a total wall to them, however Moraine you are very wrong about the whole "I don't have time to explain" thing..you have the next several DAYS to explain things sorry D- on Wise Magery there.

Chapter 13

Nothing much to really say here, we arrive at Barleon...which is truly an unimportant place we never ever see again. Think about that...this "major" city is so small and unimportant it is never on screen that I can recall, it also bothers me that they never tried to find proper wood for a bow in their travels, Lan is going all about the country side and he knows what is needed..

Chapter 14

Oh the white cloaks, I am 99% sure that the children of the light were founded by a dark friend under Elan Morin's orders or came off The splintering of Hawking's kingdom and took his mantle of "Aes Sedai are evil" which was Elan Morin's fault.

So looking up the False Dragons.

1. Why do so many of them crop up in Far Madding? like the first two timeline wise are from there according to the Library.

2. The names Darksbane is strange to me as a guy who is supposed to be a servant of the lord of the grave, as someone who usually specializes in Shadow based powers in games and RP myself...that is not what BANE means!

Chapter 16

Nynaeve can DANCE!! truly this is all 3 Tav'eren twisting the pattern to make the impossible happen.

Chapter 17

So, what did Moraine do here? Theoretically it is the Mirror of Mists however it sparks when attacked by a blade..and lets Moraine step over a wall, and the One Power can't let you fly.

Chapter 18 - 20

So the trollocs here are linked to the fade (I hate trying to spell Mydryall), are all the ones in this linked to Fades? This makes me wonder why it takes 4 Fades to drive them into Shadar Logath, aren't linked Trollocs supposed to follow any command given from their fade? isn't that the same with the river too? how can trollocs linked to Fades run away?

Also

If Mordeith and Shadar Logath a thing of only THIS turning..how does the taint get cleansed normally?
 
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On a re-read I was a bit surprised that a common trolloc had a thakan'dar forged blade. Do they all get one? Does every blade use one person? That would be hundreds of thousands of people. Perhaps they gave the trollocs special weapons for this mission? Though that increases the possibility that someone dies accidentally

I'm afraid this is one of the things we'll never know. Yes, one would suppose this blade was made at Thakan'dar - they've got no other production facility - but as Moiraine says, "some blades have the Taint", others don't. And they may have it in varied strength. I always hated the scene in the LoC prologue that gives an "explanation" or this (even though it is based on a real historical recipe from Damascus - "put the sword into a strong slave, it will inherit its strength"), not least because it must give rise to questions like yours, and it's true that using so many people would be quite impossible. - There are three instances we see in close-up - Tam, Dailin, Talmanes - and each time the effect of the blade varies.

@ Rhed and Callan: Moiraine freaking out when the "People the Dragon" are mentioned? Why? It's part of the prophecy, so what? Her time for freaking out comes when she learns who the people the dragon really are.

walkways in the open air
Like the bridge Mat falls off, later?

@ Ashlyn Sindal:
And the Min Farshaw we meet in Baerlon has so much more potential than that.
How do you know? Waving her fist and stomping her foot in frustration, does that spell potential?
Well, Jordan believes in love at first sight, so she is in love (which isn't demeaning), and it's clever to make the "let no man come between us" pact with Elayne and Egwene in TGH. She also performs quite well at Falme, and contrary to her personal wishes she lets herself be sent to the WT (because she lets herself being persuaded it needs to be done) and into the Elminendra charade and its consequences. She could have let Siuan and Leane rot in the dungeon, but she knows better and acts upon it.
Much later she seduces Rand (not easy, given the frame of mind he is in),and then they stick together for a time (is that wrong? anyone envious?), but it is her who - true to her visions and contrary to his plans - leads him to Elayne and the bonding. The research she does is not just "for Rand" (even though he asks her for it, because he trusts her and thinks she will be able to do it), it is something that needs doing (for the common benefit), and there is no one else to do it, and somehow she gets at the correct solution, earning Cadsuane's respect on the way, which isn't that easily had. And in AMoL she once more shows that she has the guts it takes in the weird situations she finds herself in.
Ah, please give her the credit she deserves & leave her alone.

@ Jeffan Caliarthan:
What did Tam do in the army? I know it's mentioned later, I just can't remember.
He ended up as Second Lieutenant of the Ilianer Companions - one seems to have to interpret this as a quite elevated rank - Moiraine early in TGH reveals it and says "I didn't know this, but I know this now" - leaving many readers wondering where she had got the information. Maybe one of the Shinearan veterans of the Aiel war remembered him.

Was there an Avendesora tree in the Green Man's Field? I thought the only one was in the Waste.
Yes, the only surviving one is in Rhuidean. Rand asks about it, and the Green Man, taking Rand for an Aiel, says "you should know better".

he knew that he came from out the village
No, he didn't, until Nyanaeve gave indirect confirmation to Tams assertions - "Tam came home with a wife and a baby", (not born in the 2 Rivers). As to his "deviant" physical features, Tam probably said "you've got that from your Mum" (whom Rand knew to have been an outlander), and it was the easy option to accept this.

Who did mark the door with the Dragon's Fang? Padan Fain? Myrdraal? A Coplin/Congar?
Must have been a Coplin or Congar - and one who hat raised the question "Why did it happen to us?" and found the easy answer: "Because of the strangers that are here", taking coincidence for a causal connection.

I guess Narg is special. Do no other Trollocs bother to speak English?
We are not told about this. Anyway, it must be the wolf genes. At Maradon, Ituralds men dubbed those trollocs "the brains".

It would have been interesting if Tam had gone with the company.
Oh, no! Rand's got to grow up! You can't be serious about that!
 
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Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: EoTW, Chapter 14 - Chapter 20

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@ Rhed and Callan: Moiraine freaking out when the "People the Dragon" are mentioned? Why? It's part of the prophecy, so what? Her time for freaking out comes when she learns who the people the dragon really are.

Because it is part of the prophecy. A small part, granted, and used by the wrong person, but the more small bits of prophecy fall into place for a False Dragon, the more dangerous he becomes. And there's always that niggling little bit of doubt: What if she's wrong?
 

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I think Moiraine at least knows that Logain was too old to be the Dragon - she knew when he was reborn
 

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Presumably it is Valda who is in charge there as Bornhald the younger was under his command at Tar Valon

It's definitely Bornhald the younger - one of the other Whitecloaks addresses him as "Lord Bornhald" or something. He's definitely called by name, anyway. Presumably he hasn't been called to Tar Valon yet.
 

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Bornhald Elder catches Perrin.
 
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